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in tomorrow "outfront," a third grade girl banned from school after arriving in the united states from nigeria, which is ebola-free, her father is "outfront." anderson starts now. good evening, thank you for joining us, she has already been tested twice for ebola and is negative. so why are the authorities parked outside where she says she will break her quarantine? just moments ago, she made a statement. we'll bring that to you as we get it. also, piecing together what blew this rocket apart. the explosion can be seen for miles. we have tough questions about outsourcing missions to tough contractors. and the police chief of ferguson, will he stay or go? and more importantly will there be reforms and will it be enough to contain the rage that may
happen. right now in a standoff, pitting the state of maine and the governors and officials against a nurse, a pretty brave one who volunteered to treat ebola patients in west africa and has gotten perhaps the worst welcome home. take a look, this is on maine's canadian border, kaci hickox's boyfriend's home. a pay of police acrocruisers ar parked outside. meanwhile, kaci hickox was first put in a tent, and now is going home to maine, she has twice tested negative for ebola, she is not contagious, she has not tested positive. we're expecting to receive video of a statement just made, as i said she spoke earlier on today show. >> you know, i don't plan on sticking to the guidelines, i
remain appalled by the guidelines stuck on me, even though i have been symptom-free. if the restrictions placed on me by the state of maine are not lifted by thursday, i will go to court to fight for my freedom. >> and ms. kaci hickox has been unwilling to follow the cdc guidelines even though the guidelines say she should not be quarantined. the state is seeking a court order to keep her home. and for those who were back in the incubation periods, president obama had tough words for the quarantines. >> when i hear people talking about american leadership and then are promoting policies that would avoid leadership, and have us running in the opposite direction and hiding under the
cover s it makes me a little frustrated. we're at our best when we are standing up and taking responsibility, even when it requires us making sacrifices. america has never been defined by fear, we are defined by courage and passion and hope and selflessness and sacrifice and a willingness to take on challenges when others can't and others will not. >> chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta was at the event and joins us shortly. but first, one of kaci hickox's attorneys, steven hymin joins me here, first of all, i just want to clarify a few things. the state now is going to court to mandate that she be quarantined. will she fight that? >> yes, but there is no way to fight it right now. this is ex parte at the moment, they're going to a judge saying
what they're saying. no papers have been served on kaci within the domain of the government of maine to do what they think they're supposed to do. >> now, the state troopers outside her house, or her boyfriend's house, if she tries to leave that place will they arrest her? >> i don't know what the order is going to say. i don't know what the circumstances will be. but it is clear that the troopers are not there to protect kaci. >> they say -- the governor of maine says, and i want to get this right, that she has been uncooperative and not adhering to state and federal protocols. >> that is completely wrong. that is so far from the facts. kaci, who knows what the standards are and who knows what is to be done has abided by them. she tests herself. she is -- has been with ebola patients. she knows what it is.
the government is merely p pandering to the words that it is contagious, and under any doctor's reports, it says that she is not contagious. >> this bears repeating. she does not have ebola. >> correct. >> she has not tested positive for ebola. >> correct, she does not have fever, which is another symptom. >> right, the systmptoms of ebo. her temperature is normal. she doesn't have a fever. and she would only be contagious if she did have ebola and had reached the point where she was actually having symptoms. >> symptoms. >> and she is not at that point. >> and at the moment of symptoms you can end up going to a hospital, which she is prepared, which god forbid anything like that happen. but she is being tested twice a day. she is in contact with the state health authorities. >> so you say she is being
totally cooperative? >> absolutely. they want her to stay in the house because they say that it is going to be a risk to the public. >> i have been tweeting about this, because i think that it is amazing that a politician can point their finger at a citizen of the united states and say you're not sick, you're not contagious, but people are afraid so you have to stay in your house or we're even going to lock you up in your tent with a portopotty, and people are even willing -- the rights that tens of thousands of people have fought for. >> they're willing to give up somebody else's rights, not their right. >> so i've been getting a lot of tweets. >> it is only 21 days, she was in africa in a tent. it can't have been easy living there. what is 21 days out of an abundance of caution, what do
you say to that? >> to that i say she has a right to live her life. she is not sick nor does she exhibit symptoms of being sick. she is an american citizen and the government has no right to say you have to stay in a place when you are not subject to any rational medical evidence. >> i mean, there is an argument, some people have compared this to the government saying, you haven't committed a crime but we think you might commit a crime at some point in the future so you have to stay locked up or at least stay in your home. >> it is preventive detention. >> right, it doesn't make any sense, and at some point you have to go with science. >> i have statements from officials, medical statements saying there is no risk. what do you have to say that she should be quarantined? and i am met with silence. >> it is political -- >> it is all political, driven
by fear and hysteria that they are promoting. as you saw, the president saying it is wrong. >> i'm going to continue to follow this, it is just stunning. digging deeper with sanjay gupta, who weas there at the white house. also cnn analyst, jeffrey toobin. just from a legal standpoint, can the politician, a state government just label somebody has future sick, and therefore stay at home? >> you're asking me, anderson? >> yeah. >> well, we'll see. this is going to be before a judge. and you know, usually -- judges defer to the government on public health matters. judges say look, i'm not a doctor. i have to accept what the medical doctors say. if they say there is a public health risk. but here, we have a situation that as far as i know there is no public health risk. and so the challenge is going to
be what will the state of maine say to convince a judge to keep nurse kaci hickox in this house when as far as we all know there is no medical risk to the community based on her circulating normally? >> so sanjay, the other thing i'm hearing from people, and they understand her fears and concerns. they are saying look, the government has gotten it wrong about the ebola cases and the protective gear and so on and so forth. how do we know the protective gear is real or you can't get it unless you have a fever of 101.4? >> look, it is interesting, because i think there is some distrust. and i think some of that has been fostered by what happened in dallas. i don't think that changes, though, the basic science and some of the knowledge that has been gained over nearly 40 years
how this virus transmits. it transmits from somebody who is already sick with ebola. that science stays the same. people are looking at the same science and coming up with very different approaches to this. we have a picture, i just want to show you at the white house today. there was doctors who returned from -- and nurses returned from liberia, some of them within the last 21 days. they are in the white house, with the president of the united states. on the left. on the right, kaci hickox who you have been talking about fits the same profile. no symptoms, returned within the last 21 days. she is facing a mandatory quarantine. it is a huge dichotomy. and i should point out all the doctors who have taken care of patients with ebola, they practiced here in the united states. that is the only difference, they have had the same questionable exposure as the
people they're thinking about quarantining. so how far does this go? >> and jeff, this is a state by state decision. some thought there were federal guidelines but that is not the way it works with quarantines. it is up to the state. and that is why you have this dichotomy, with those that have been here 21 days, and a nurse locked in a house. >> and not only do you have moving targets within the 50 states, you have moving targets in different areas, new jersey, maine, changing their rules. one thing to keep an eye on. i think this is potentially very pernicious. the state of maine may go to court and say we can't prove she has a communicable disease, so for the sake of the community's mind she should be required to
stay in the house for 21 days. and if that is the rule that would be a very anti-science approach. it is something to watch to see if a judge buys it. >> there are plenty of people that we're all scared of. but that doesn't mean we get to lock them up forever and ever and ever, does it, jeff? >> it doesn't, but when it comes to public health, judges are very wary of going against the government. if the government of maine says this is a public health matter, it may be that the judge goes the other way. but judges always say in situations like this, look, i'm not a doctor, i have to rely on the experts before me. and if maine brings in the experts that say this is a potential problem for the people of maine i would not be at all surprised. >> i mean, can you think of any other future sick or future crime that you can be locked up that has not actually happened? >> well, there are certain
circumstances where sex offenders are kept in prison after the expiration of their sentences because they are perceived as so dangerous to the community. i mean, it is obscene to compare a heroic nurse to a sex offender. >> jeff, stay with us, sanjay, as well. we're waiting for the video of kaci's statement, joining us now by phone is scott dolan. scott, what did she say? >> she came out of the house with her boyfriend. and she said that first of all, she was happy to be back in maine. she said they were in negotiations all day and tried to resolve this. but the state was not going to allow her to leave her house and interact with the public, even though she says she was healthy and symptom-free. she was frustrated. she also said she is not sure what she is going to do next.
the ball is in the state's court. >> so she is still seeing the ball in the state's court. she is not going to walk down the street and get arrested. >> she is not sure about the vow she made earlier. she said she will talk to her lawyers and then decide. >> scott, thank you very much. one of her lawyers is right here. steven hymin, when she says the ball is in the state's court, what are you waiting to hear? >> right now she is a free person. >> she has troopers outside her house, though. >> well, but the troopers can't do anything. >> you don't think they can arrest her? >> no, if she walks down the street she is a free person. >> are you willing to test that? >> absolutely. >> but -- >> she is going home to sleep. she is not trying to be a test case. >> she doesn't want to be a test case. >> well, she is trying to live her life. the most important thing for her
is that she be treated well and others be treated well. if the state of maine would be rational rather than been punitive -- >> again, there are going to be people watching saying look, she is a nurse, does good for other people. she no doubt understands other people's fears and concerns. just out of an abundance of caution in case she might get sick next week why not just agree to stay inside the house? >> because it is her life. the right to live. you're telling me that because somebody else is afraid with no medical evidence to back it, that she should give up her life and go live in her house because they're afraid when she is not contagious. when every medical doctor's report says she is not contagious. and even if she exhibits symp m symptoms she is not contagious.
duncan, who unfortunately died, his family is asymptomatic. >> 48 people who came in contact with him. >> of course, it is all evidence and medicine are clear in this regard. only fear and hysteria are not. and the supreme court has been clear that in other cases, there is a great case in new jersey that said myth and fear are not a basis. >> sanjay brought up the other interesting point, you have all of these doctors at emory that treated ebola patients, should they be quarantined, at the nih as well, in nebraska and elsewhere. thank you for joining us, jeff, sanjay, as well, quick reminder, set your dvr. take a look at this coming up next. huge explosion we witnessed last night. we'll look at what nasa is looking for in the wake of last night's explosion. and the woman in the video,
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facility, a sight to remember, then as you can see, well, it all went very, very bad. the blast was so powerful it registered as an atomic disturbance on local weather radar. it could be seen and felt -- atmospheric, luckily, the rocket was lifting cargo and not people into orbit. so nobody was killed or hurt on the ground, thankfully. cause is still under investigation. and in a moment, reaction from a veteran astronaut. but first, gary tuchman with more. >> reporter: it is 6:22 p.m., and the final count down is on. >> 5, 4, 2, 1. >> reporter: and just secondings aft -- second unmanned antares rocket took off, an explosion. >> and launch team, be advised,
stay at your consoles, everyone else, maintain your positions in your consoles. >> reporter: the situation at wallops island, virginia, clearly catastrophic. >> we have lost the orb three vehicle, at this point in time we're going to implement the antares reaction plan. >> reporter: the cnn affiliate in salsbury, maryland, was broadcasting the action live. the anchors along with everybody else, stunned. the station had reporter on scene. >> you could feel the explosion, it knocked us backwards. >> reporter: many excited about seeing a nighttime launch, was shooting video. >> going to be loud -- [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god -- >> oh, god! >> reporter: as the seconds tick
by, increased fear set in. was anyone killed? was anyone hurt? >> at this point it appears that the damage is limited to the facility. there is no indication that there are personnel in danger. >> reporter: the flames, immense along the ocean front site. destroyed with the rocket, thousands of pounds of cargo, including experiments and space walk equipment and food for the space station astronauts. the cause of the catastrophe, not yet known. the investigation just beginning. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >> the launch vehicle was built by the orbital sciences for the company's booster, the company chose the portion designed and manufactured in the soviet union, which doesn't necessarily mean bad. they run the gamut from stone cold reliable, to problems.
i want to talk about the investigation, the implications that are underlying as nasa does private contracting with companies. and also, with us, the astronaut who also flew on soyuz and is a paid adviser. miles, in terms of what happened last night, the explosion, what exactly went wrong as far as you know so far? can you walk us through what happened? >> yeah, it is a little bit early to say, of course, anderson, and it will take a little bit of time to comb through the information, look at the data and understand what may or may not have failed. if you look at the video, and they will look at the video in many thousands of frames per second, you see debris coming out the bottom end where the rocket plume is, and you see
discoloration. all of the first stage, the soviet era rockets were built about 40 years ago, might have failed. now, there could be some other things that might have happened. there might have been a fuel line that leaked. one way or the other you will look at the first stage as the possible point of failure. >> ken, i mean, some people would be surprised they're using 40-year-old soviet era rockets, why is that? >> well, there is two reasons, the russians make pretty good hardware. if you look at the soyuz, they're a pretty old design and it carries supplies to the international space station. but also the commercial services contract for the cargo station was intended to try and lower the cost of delivering a pound of cargo up into orbit. and so they went with a vehicle and a rocket engine that was very affordable. >> and ken, i mean, there is food and stuff supplied, stockpiled for the space station. so there is not an immediate
impact to this crash, correct? >> that is right, anderson, the last i heard they had four to six months reserves. the most likely and immediate impact would be some reduction and the ability to do the meaningful explorations. it seems there will not be a huge reduction based on what i heard of the vehicle that was lost. >> and they rely on them for these kind of missions. what if anything does it say about the safety of the space program or does it say anything at all? >> i don't think we know enough yet about this. this is an experiment in changing the way nasa does. it is worth pointing out that nasa has always used the private sector the build the rockets, where it is boeing or lockheed martin, it is just the way they did business with them. they were like on the factory floor telling them how to turn the nuts and bolts, offering up specific safety requirements right there on site. they're offering up a broad list
of specifics, some safety guidelines and then just purchasing the vehicle. so there is no reason to believe that is anymore or less safe. we're just trying to figure it out in going along here. it is worth pointing out in the years nasa had strict requirements, they lost 14 crew members and the shuttle in the apollo era. so it is dangerous and unpredictable. >> there are a ton of space companies out there. this is only going to increase the privatization of all of this, isn't it? >> right, the idea is to move more and more responsibility over to the commercial sector. the real shift from say the shuttle program to commercial crew is the authority for the launch.
nasa still pays, and they're providing the service. and nasa's big decision is whether to put the cargo on board when it launches. >> and what an incredible career you have had. i would like to talk to you more about that under different circumstances, great to have you on, as always you can find more about this and other related stories on cnn.com. coming up, what is life actually life in the space station? a rare look when we return, and later, perhaps the most down to earth story tonight. the lava and homes now in jeopardy. we help make secure l tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. creeping up on you...
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resident ken bowbowersox, and a crew of three russians, we're used to seeing video of their space walks it is still a bit of a mystery what daily life is like for them. randi kaye has more on that. >> reporter: the international space station space station orbits the earth every 90 minutes, traveling about 17,500 miles per hour, it is an understatement to say the astronauts and cosmonauts on board enjoy a spectacular view. but daily life on board is difficult and at times complicated. even getting clean is difficult, no shower, instead, they use rinses and soap they rub in. on board this laboratory, there are never more than six crew members at a time. they stay for about six months, which can feel like an eternity living on pre-packaged food. >> we use a lot of same items the military uses. >> reporter: every so often, supply ships like the one that
exploded this week bring fresh fruit and vegetables. >> a table for six, we don't have plates. of course, we don't need plates in space because again, everything is just thrown away. >> reporter: there are no refrigerators in space, and salt and pepper in liquid form, otherwise the particles would clog the air vents or get in an astronaut's eye. peanut butter is a space station staple. >> a weightless tortilla. >> reporter: most of the day is spent working on science experiments, that only a micro-gravity environment can provide. there are also experiments conducting how bodies can adjust in space for long periods of time. of course, sometimes there are space walks, otherwise it is more mundane stuff you may do at home. >> you got to change a filter,
light bulb is burned out. you got to take time to change it. >> reporter: and while you may be weightless in space, exercise is a must using equipment you won't find like this on earth, like this treadmill. >> they're attached to the system of hooks and bungee chords. >> reporter: if you wonder about a bathroom break during the day, using this tiny toilet is not easy. >> and of course, you have your privacy. there is a little door. >> reporter: sleeping is easy, as long as the astronauts learn to tie down their sleeping bags. when the mission is complete, a soyuz space craft takes them back to earth. the return trip takes just three and a half hours. randi kaye. >> wonder what it feels like sleeping in space, that is crazy. let's get the other stories, susan hendricks has more. >> anderson, there is growing fear by u.s. intelligence that the u.s. airstrikes didn't take
out the al qaeda operatives that the attacks targeted. multiple officials tell the intelligence community that they believe the terrorist operatives are still alive and could be actively plotting. and tense moments in new jersey today as a heckler faced off with governor chris christie, the heckler was holding a sign criticizing the governor's response to superstorm sandy. and he kept interrupting, so listen. >> listen, you want to have the conversation later, i'm happy to have it buddy. but until that time, sit down and shut up! >> after a short back and forth, the guy was led away. and in hawaii, the lava flow threatening villages is close to homes, the lava near kilauea is going at about 30 miles an hour and could reach the homes in about four hours, so far, no mandatory evacuations. and just ahead, ferguson's police chief may step down in
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with humira, remission is possible. the people in ferguson, missouri, are waiting to find out whether police officer darren wilson will be charged with the death of the teenager, michael brown. and we're getting word on what could cause the police chief his job, we're hearing that jackson will be stepping down possibly. the chief and mayor say that is not true. more on that in a moment. meanwhile, st. louis prosecutors have dismissed five cases in which officer wilson was supposed to testify as a witness. it will not affect the presentation of information to
the grand jury that will decide on whether to charge the officer. you're hearing the discussion on whether the police chief will step down. what is the latest? >> no one wants the news of them getting ousted from their job to be made public before they're ready to make it public. so that is what the pushback is coming from. the plan remains for the police chief, jackson, to step down. we expect it could come next week. the question is whether or not this is going to be enough for the people on the streets in ferguson. >> and you're hearing that state and local officials are not seeing eye to eye on this? >> they're not, sort of like fear and loathing in ferguson, the feds and others are worried about the reaction on the street if there is not an indictment. none of them want to blame. we're told by sources that the state prosecutor had asked the federal government to do a joint press conference to announce the
results of their investigation, separate investigations. the federal government has rejected that. the justice department is afraid that it will undermine the argument that this is a separate and independent investigation, anderson. and that is the gist of the argument right now. >> all right, evan press, thank you for joining us. joining me now is the attorney for the michael brown family, thank you for joining us. so evan's report that the police chief will step down possibly as soon as next week, do you believe it is something that would help to quell some of the frustration on the ground in ferguson? >> well, anderson, we believe that justice and due process for michael brown, jr., will help to quel los angeles lot of the unrest. but more importantly it will restore confidence that everybody gets equal justice in america. that is really the frustrating part in ferguson. people don't think michael brown is getting his due process. >> so just so i'm clear, though,
have you called for or been encouraging the police chief to step down? because there was obviously a lot of criticism of the way he released surveillance videos from the press conference he was at earlier. some information he didn't come forward with. and obviously, the way he has handled the police force. is that something you have called for? >> no, anderson, the family has been focused and vigilant on making sure they get justice for their son, michael brown, jr. there is the legal team. >> in terms of how the family is doing, i mean there have been all of these likes coming from -- well, a lot of people are pointing fingers about where they're actually coming from. but there are leaks about things coming from the grand jury. how does the family feel about these things? >> anderson, it is a roller
coaster, these leaks are very troublesome to both michael brown's mother and father. >> "the washington post" reported about a week ago the details of the officer's account. that initially, michael brown was the aggressor in the situation. and also there were seven or eight african-american witnesses who backed up that account. are you aware of those witnesses? >> anderson, how do you vet a leak? how do you attack a leak? and i know several witnesses who testified before the grand jury who say they think that people are trying to twist their words. and that is why we need transparency, anderson, we need to have a trial by a jury based on the constitution of the united states where it is very transparent and all the evidence and all the witnesses can be cross examined. >> you said the transparency, all the witnesses have said after the grand jury that they will reveal all the evidence that was presented to the grand
jury. so there is that transparency even if there is not a trial. is that not -- >> and anderson, what this family wants is what any other family would want if their child was shot down in broad daylight. for the person to be charged for the evidence to come before a jury. and everybody can vet that evidence. it will be very transparent. and they have a representative to make sure they get their due process. and we want the police officer to have his day in court. nobody is saying he is guilty until proven innocent. but we want to be able to challenge this police department. this prosecutor. as well as this medical examiner's office. and say this evidence does not purport what you're trying to make it purport. >> you and i have spoken to this, and have spoken to michael brown's parents from the beginning of this. and all along, everybody has said violence along the streets is not the focus here that takes it away from michael brown.
how concerned are you about the reaction that has been going on, and what happened if there is not an indictment? >> well, quite obviously, anderson, people are frustrated in st. louis and all over america, because they keep saying our children keep getting killed over and over again. nobody is being held accountable. we encourage people to work on their rights, but we want it done in a non-violent way. we want you to do it by going to vote and passing the mike brown law so we wouldn't have this play out again, because if the police officers have video camera, anderson, it will be transparent. and protect the officer if he did nothing wrong. but also it will give these families answers, they want to know why their child was shot down in broad daylight. all right, up next, imagine if this was happening to your mom, sister or daughter, take a
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good day. >> hey, what is up, girl, how are you doing? >> mile, i guess not good! >> hey, baby. >> hey, beautiful. >> have a nice evening. >> ms. roberts was harassed more than 100 times that day. the video has been viewed more than 8 million times on line, and also generated more than 40,000 comments, including rape threats against her. i spoke to her a short time ago. i saw this video and i was really stunned. i mean, i have seen guys call out to women on the street. and it always amazing me that they do this. i don't know what they are thinking. if they think the woman wants this. what is the impact on you having guys do this all day long? >> i mean, it is all day long. it is every day. >> what is in the video happens
all the time? >> yeah, that was a typical day. i said yeah, film me where i normally walk all over manhattan. >> and you're wearing a jeans, a t-shirt. >> it doesn't matter what you wear. >> and your facial expression is -- >> my non-verbal cues, saying don't talk to me, no eye contact, no friendly demeanodem and i'm a very friendly person. there were days i interact, but i quickly didn't want to interact, those situations can escalate. >> there is the guy who says something to you and followings you for about five minutes. >> yeah. >> and it starts -- i can't even remember what it was he said. i mean, does he think that -- >> i don't know what they expect people to do. i mean, this is happening to so many women.
and my story is not unique. >> i was trying to think how i would feel. i mean, people talk to me all day long because i'm on tv. mostly it is about my work, they're not saying hey, nice ass, whatever. and what is the impact of that? do you even know? >> i don't know for sure. but -- i know it's difficult mentally. it is difficult when my grandfather died and someone told me that they liked the way i looked. and it disrupts my daily life. i'm trying to memoryize an audition. and i have headphones in and people still are trying to get me to look at them. >> does it scare you ever? >> oh, all the time. >> i mean, the guy following you, no matter what he is saying, it's scary. >> i have been in martial arts since i was nine, i have a black belt in martial arts, i have
trained and i'm scared. >> since this has been posted, you have gotten threats. there were guys talking about rape? >> there are people who have said a lot of things but i'm not reading what they're saying. >> to me, that is the sub text of some of these conversations. it is that -- as some of these guys just like -- i can look at you up and down, i'm going to look at you up and down. i'm going to tell you what i think of you in specific detail. i'm going to follow you for however long i want to. saying things under my breath or out loud and nobody is going to do anything about it. >> i mean. >> that is to me, the message of what these guys are doing. >> yes, i agree with that. and it needs to stop. we can change hearts and minds. >> well, shoshanna, thank you so much. >> thank you. and coming up, the early '90s alternative rock. the ridiculist is next.
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all right, so maybe the guitar sound is a little bit derivative of "my bloody valentine." it sold six million copies worldwide and is listed on the rolling stones as one of the top albums. you really don't hear much about them until now. tonight, i'm happy to report that the front man is back and edgier than ever, on the cover of the chicago magazine. i don't know if you can read the headlines, it says billy corrigan's siamese dream. this is a jarring event, one it helped us learn what he was up
to. before, he was in a commercial for a chicago furniture store. >> that is a walt smith chair. >> so perhaps billy corrigan is off his alternative rocker, maybe there is more to it. maybe he is being ironic, but maybe when they do less rock things, i don't want everybody heard to suddenly be used in a headache commercial. i don't want to see tom york on the cover of aarp magazine. although i have to say that bruce springsteen makes it look good. there was a time when nobody out of chicago would have ever seen the cover of paws chicago magazine. wait a minute, that is me on the cover of web md. okay, look, for the record i
have no memory posing for the cover of web md. although apparently i did. i gave an interview. i don't know what i was doing on the cover of it. anyway, let's move on. to the youngsters watching this, who have no idea what i'm talking about. don't worry, one day you will see a picture of iggy azalea, and you will get used to it. until then, do what you got to do. you will always have rock and roll in our hearts and on the ridiculist. that does it for us, for another edition of "ac360." join us later. "somebody's gotta do it" starts no now. >> me and the crew are on the road again, destination? middle of nowhere. so how far in the middle of nowhere are we going? >>